Quote Kent Wilson: "So, let's see...questioning the motivation of those conducting economic studies. Fallacious ad hominem attack. The stadium versus bus terminal thing is a false dichotomy. Those aren't the two choices. Asserting that the economic trickle down benefits of a Flames win is somehow 1.) large enough to justify multi-million dollar public subsidies into pro sports teams and 2.) relevant to the town of Abbotsford with it's 3,500 fans/night and high probability for yearly operating losses is baseless. And then the assertion that whatever happens under the governance of elected officials is consistently and explicitly the direct will of the constituents is so plainly at odds with reality that you might as well have claimed the sky is orange. Unless the voters of Abbotsford are willing to stage a bloody coup, throw out the current politicians and tear up the deal, their hands are basically tied till the next election. At which point the deal has already been signed. Pork barrel spending, rent seeking and bureaucratic corruption occur all the time in democracies, often in the face of opposition and to the direct detriment of the public at large." End quote.
Domebeers, you got a take?
Let's see, taking an academic study at face value in the face of the entire history of academic fraud is at best very naive. Was the paper peer reviewed, or something?
Also a local economic benefit as justification to build stadiums is not baseless, its entirely relevant. These things are amortized over at least 30 years, and the money is spent in the first couple of years. Where is it spent? Do martians build it? I bet they spend that money on martians and not the local work force. Obviously benefits apply to all stadiums, which means all one had to do was to extrapolate the benefits derived in Calgary to the benefits received in Abbotsford after a Heat win, on a smaller scale. But you knew that and were just going for an easy line, I know, because I do that.
As to whether or not people get the governments they deserve? It's very easy to look up how the people voted on the measure: 54.8% majority to build the stadium. Simple research Kent. The people voted for it. Your problem is with democracy, not with me for pointing it out. That number wasn't hard to find. It is almost like you didn't even look.
Hey, I have an idea. Let's look up Mr. Noll and Mr. Zimbalists resumes, shall we?
They are very easy to find:
Noll (click Curriculum Vitae)
These guys have never held a job outside of academia ever, and they are going to tell me what creates and doesn't create value? Obviously, they are suspect people to use as your champions. Honestly, Kent, for a guy who likes his advance stats and research, the fact that you didn't do a background check on this is a little surprising.
If you have an agenda against this kind of public policy, then say so.
Kent, I will be honest with you. I very much appreciate the support you have given Domebeers. You put me on your blogroll at fivehole, and you probably added 20 daily readers to my site by doing that. I haven't cracked 100 daily yet, so that number is noticeable. But this isn't your best work, in my opinion, and it doesn't look good on you.
This is also posted as a response to the original comment on flamesnation.ca.
Furthermore, I think Peter Loubardias should be fired.